Saturday, May 13, 2006

Another old diary: On self-censorship

They are there a couple of days a month, outside the local shopping mall. Maybe it's more like a day a week. Conspicuous in their camouflage gear and close-cropped hair. With their ridiculous little tank, their tents, their guns and their glossy recruiting literature. All terribly neat and tidy.

Most people here do not talk to them. So they just stand there all day waiting around looking silly.
When I see them, my throat tightens.
When I walk past, I look at them closely, my expression inexpressive.
The clouds seem a little closer, the sun a little dimmer.
The day more grey.
When I first noticed them, I thought, "Good. Very thin pickings here.
Let them waste just as much time here as they like.
May they come in droves with their conspicuous camouflage gear and close-cropped hair, their ridiculous little tank, their tents, their guns and their glossy recruiting literature every day, and stand about, talking to nobody and looking silly. The more the merrier."

Even if my throat tightens, my face grows guarded and the day seems strangely grey. Given that the sun is shining and all.

But I was just very, very stupid.

The last time they were there, outside the local shopping mall, I realised at last why they were there. Most everyone else walking by knew already, I'm quite sure. One way. Or the other.

For despite the conspicuous camouflage gear, the close-cropped hair, the ridiculous little tank, the tents, the shiny, shiny guns and the glossy recruiting literature, they were not there for recruits.
Officially, yes. Sure.

But not in fact.

For even the most lax of superior officers must at some point notice that despite their regular appearance outside the local shopping mall in conspicuous camouflage, with the close-cropped hair, the ridiculous little tank, the tents, the shiny, shiny guns and the glossy recruiting literature, there is nary a new recruit in sight.

(And all of a sudden, from this new vantage point, the mysterious uniformity of their whiteness -- which had been a mystery to me -- snapped into place, like the last stubborn corner of an old Tupperware box)

They are There To Show a Presence.
Trooping the Colours.
Waving the Flag.
Showing the Sullen Natives (that's "them" and who knows, perhaps it will also be latecomer me) What's What.

Empires cast long shadows. Though many years have passed since its eclipse, the sun has not yet set on this one. Still, it seeks reflected glory.

The second week of Ramadan is beginning
and it would be fair to say that this has been a difficult year.
My acquaintances,
politely singled out for baggage checks,
tell of suspicious looks.
Their expressions speak of biting their tongues until they bleed, even though they do not say so.

Usually it's busy outside the shopping mall, today it's quiet.
Lots of people staying at home,
calling numbers that don't answer today.

But there they were.
Outside the local shopping mall,
in conspicuous camouflage and close-cropped hair, with their ridiculous little tank, their tents, their shiny, shiny guns, the glossy recruiting literature and nary a new recruit in sight.

They stand there all day, looking menacing.
When I see them, my throat tightens.
When I walk past, I stare coldly.
Those clouds look like thunder. The sun is grey.


Blogger dove said...

At the risk of going meta, can we have a bit of a chat/debate/argument about my proposed exercise of the dictatorial power of censorship?
It seems at least obliquely applicable.

I'd welcome your thoughts (on everything in general, of course, including the diary to which this is attached) but particularly, I'd welcome your thoughts on the issue of ad hominem attacks.

What it boils down to is that I don't want this site to be yet another place where people feel free to launch personal attacks on DTF. Or indeed, on any of you or me for that matter. But I think DTF is something of the proverbial canary in the mine. And also -- perhaps it shouldn't matter but actually I find it does -- DTF is someone I explicitly told to make himself at home here.

Anyway, when out and about on my travels I occasionally see BNP leaflets or Combat 18 stickers, I stop what I'm doing and tear down all the ones I can find. At the earliest opportunity, I then report it to the folks who deal with hate incidents, so that someone else can come out to check if I missed any.

That's censorship -- the suppression of expression. There's little point in mincing words about it. And what I'm proposing to do here -- to delete new posts if I consider them to be ad hominem attacks -- is censorship as well.

If I had a moral problem with censorship in such circumstances, I wouldn't have proposed it: while I value freedom of speech, I don't value it to the exclusion of all else.

However some of you may reason differently and may wish to try and argue that I should have a moral problem with censorship in these circumstances, so I thought I'd seek your advice.

Others may simply have (as I do, frankly) pragmatic concerns about inter-rater reliability (or rather the lack of it).

Anyway -- what do you think?

5/13/2006 12:15 pm  
Blogger Nanette said...

I tend agree with your policy. In fact, I was thinking something very like what you wrote in the other thread, yesterday. I suppose I am not a free speech extremist either, lol. I was quite saddened to see the personal attack on Ductape (although it was quite illustrative of a point he made in one of the other threads, about the messenger), especially when the conversation could have moved in a completely different direction, even with disagreement.

I also dislike typing to completely anonymous posters... it sort of feels like talking to one of those little round jack in the box antenna heads or something.

Disagreements about politics, philosophy, otherness, whatever, seem to me to be all fine... most everyone loves a good, respectful debate. Attacks on individuals, however, especially from an obviously ongoing, deep seated antipathy, I believe this site can do without. Of course no one should (or could) be required to like anyone else, if they don't, but that has nothing to do with employing common courtesy towards someone.

It's too easy, online, to not only engage in ad hominem (and anonymous) attacks, but also to think one must accept them as part of the online culture or something... in fact, some places thrive on stuff like that.

Anyway, I'm using a lot of words to basically say... it's your site, might as well begin as you mean to go on and all that. I like that we can philosophize (is that a word?) and talk things out and I certainly don't mind if someone disagrees with me, but I'd prefer that individuals, including grizzled old terrorists, not have to put up with people following them around not to engage them, but to attack them.

5/13/2006 3:31 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From poco:

Ooooh!! Meta!! (rubs her hands with glee)

Slightly OT, but let me share my experience with blogger--tried to do a new sign in and it didn't like my username. So I changed my username, and blogger didn't the second one either, or the third. At this point I firmly believe it is a personal enmity, or, hmmm, maybe I am jumping to conclusions-- blogger just believes it is being cute and funny and devilishly tricksterish, and can't understand why I am not giggling delightedly.

Regarding the censorship issue, I agree with dove and nanette--I have never been a free speech extremist. So you are not going to get any arguments on that issue from me. It is dove's nest and she gets to decide.

Initially, I had thought that the anon-other was more of an irritation and the last posting was best ignored as being beneath contempt, but on re-reading dove's and nanette's posts I realize that drive-by postings such as anon's poison the nest and nasty, personal, anon attacks need to be nipped in the bud. (okay, too much pastoral imagery here)

5/13/2006 5:55 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From poco:

damn!damn!damn! dove, can you erase the repetitions, please.

5/13/2006 5:58 pm  
Blogger dove said...

Done, poco. Love the image of blogger as devilishly tricksterish.

Thanks to both of you for offering advice on this -- I'm hoping DTF and some of others who stop by sometimes might feel like chiming in as well.

"It's too easy, online, to not only engage in ad hominem (and anonymous) attacks, but also to think one must accept them as part of the online culture or something... in fact, some places thrive on stuff like that."

I think this is really important, Nannette. Don't have much to add to it, but that business of particular styles of interaction being naturalised or normalised is one I find really interesting.

5/13/2006 6:59 pm  
Blogger DuctapeFatwa said...

It took me a whlie, but I finally responded to Mr. Anonymous.

dove, my two cents is predictable. If posting messages to the effect that I am a doo doo head will keep them at the computer posting that I am a doo doo head and off the streets giving vent to their views in more "robust" ways, then it is my humble privilege to serve.

At the same time, I posted a whole rant on my blog about the dilemma. Maybe the above is true. Maybe if they can "rag" on an old Muslim dude on the internet, they will be less likely to vandalize the local mosque, or the local convenience store clerk.

But I also have to consider the other possibility, that by thwarting their desire to Coulter me, or even run me off the internets, their frustration will become too great and they will engage in the very sort of activities I would hope to prevent.

So aside from being a free speech extremist, I also have all that. And as a free speech extremist, I can't tell you what to do on your own blog.

I can tell you that I was very touched and humbled by you and poco sticking up for me, and protecting me from the dangerous troll. Sometimes I am a little slow on the uptake. Let's blame the meds again. I would like to hug both of you till you squeak and give you peppermints.

5/14/2006 1:55 pm  
Blogger dove said...

Slow on the uptake my foot.
But oooh, I like peppermints. I could probably even manage a squawk for peppermints.

Well,I don't think I want ad hominem attacks here. After all, I can't think of any other context where I'd provide a conduit for their broader dissemination.

And I must admit to having found Ms. Anonymous's last post amusing in light of the posts preceding. I'm fairly sure I wasn't supposed to be amused though.

I've been thinking about your dilemma lately. I don't think I have any answers though. I do have a desire to remind you of that which you already know: that people, whether sitting at their keyboards or not sitting at their keyboards are -- however much they may wish or believe otherwise -- moral agents who are responsible for their choices, constrained though these may be.

While I know you're well capable of fending off dangerous trolls, I think that being hated can be pretty exhausting. Stay well.

5/14/2006 7:29 pm  
Blogger DuctapeFatwa said...

Nobody has any answers, that's what makes it such an annoying dilemma.

But I think you may have just offered me one.

Your point is very wise, and one that I often make myself when the touchy subject of those poor helpless moral cripples being forced by Bush and Cheney to torture people because they really believe Saddam had WMD and just want to defend America's way of life comes up.

They are, I declare, independent moral agents with the same capacity to make their own choices based on their own values regarding right and wrong as you or I or Bush or Cheney.

And Alex tears at her keyboard, tears spill onto her keyboard, she is so disgusted that I would say such a thing, be allowed to say such a thing, that she must lie down upon the bed for a while, to collect herself. This is beyond outrage. 3000 innocent people died in the World Trade Center and she knows these boys, they are good boys, and it is just awful what they are forced to do and we should be supporting them, and sending her preferred politician money, not reading the awful words of people who hate America and are just too cowardly to post their address and social security numbers to back up the filthy lies told by backward savages, she really must lie down upon the bed now. She might even have to miss the meetup to be held in the gated community home of a dear dear friend, to help raise money for politicians who will not name operations things like Iron Fist. And a very fine Brie is to be served, and Chablis. This is Alex's country I am tearing apart, and dividing with my hate speech. No, she really must lie down upon the bed, she can no longer see to type, through her tears.

Exhausting? In a way, sure. But then I receive an email from a lurker, he does not have the courage to post it on a message board, he says, but he reminds me of another post I made, about young Israeli men and women who say NO, and speculating that perhaps they are thinking of a beloved elder, whose lap they had to sit on, whose pastries they had to eat, only because in another time and place, not so long ago, or far, a young man or woman said NO, and on this Mother's Day, they too, are typing through tears, just before they go to get Bobbe, now it is they who will take her out to eat pastries, and as they kiss her cheek, soft and wrinkled as old silk, they will once again whisper "thank you" to that brave young German, wherever he may be.

So thanks to him, and his Bobbe, and to you, and your wisdom, I am not exhausted, and I believe my dilemma is solved. Thank you. :D

5/14/2006 9:39 pm  
Blogger Nanette said...

(I should mention first that none of this is directly pointed towards notpocoanonymous, although s/he was instrumental in helping to bring out the thought, if not to clarify it.)

I'm all in favor of "safe spaces". I've found myself, over the past couple of years, disconnecting from full participation in larger blogs and chat rooms and such, and basically confining my main online presence to small spaces. What I think I'm looking for - and see no reason why those who wish to can't create - is what the internet in general almost was.

I think of The Well, which was one of the first (if not the actual first) online communities, built with intention and purpose and sort of an initial model for those that came after. Except, there were no anonymous postings there... everyone who signed up had to use their real names, and I believe there was a small fee from the first. This served to let people know they would own their words, and also weeded out the flybynight ones.

Mind you, I am not advocating for the use of real names or anything like that (or charging people), but I do think that there is nothing at all wrong with building places with intention and purpose. The purpose of The Well was having substantive discussion of matters, in an atmosphere of trust (of sorts).

Other places (chat sites, email lists, etc) attempted to imitate that, in one way or another, without the use of real names or fees, and some were successful. Usenet has always been an insane, no holds barred place, but that was expected and avoided in other spots, for the most part (unless it was the intention not to).

The intense commercialization of the internet changed a lot of things, intentional spaces included. I think the advent of ad supported sites has gone a long way towards muddying the idea of what community or accepted (and acceptable) behaviour is.

Free speech/censorship, to me, relates to the government, or the various powerful who have control over lives and livelihood - not to individuals or even groups of individuals who say... "I prefer that you don't say that or behave this way here".

On sites whose intention is to make money (and there is nothing wrong with that), there are some tradeoffs that have to be made, regardless of the purpose of the site. On sites whose intention is discussion or being a safe space, or whatever, there is no need for those trade offs.

Sort of the difference between running a carnival, where you want almost everyone who walks through the gates and then they are on their own and a zen garden retreat, where you want people who may go up and down the many pathways that might be there, or sit in stillness under a tree alone or with friends to talk - but who will not run around trampling the plants or honorary great grandpapas.

5/15/2006 10:43 pm  
Blogger dove said...

Thankyou for this Nanette - it's really useful to be reminded that communities can be intentional.

And you've also reminded me that my own history in a way. I've been thinking of online writing as something I began in 2004 after November, but actually, I had spent quite a long time on a rather intense little BBS back on the 90s. It was an extreme example of 'mytown syndrome' in its way -- it's users not lived in the same otwn, but were from the same -- well I'm not quite sure what to call it really, not quite a commune, not quite a society, not quite a culture, but something related to all of those things. And looking back one realises that it was and is quite carefully tended.

5/16/2006 1:29 am  
Blogger DuctapeFatwa said...

Nanette, I am once again obliged to publicly call you out and charge you with being a planetary treasure.

And commit upon you another large hug! {{{{{{{{Nanette}}}}}}}}}

I have vague memories of seeing some of the public areas of the Well, in a time of raw telnet, seeing in this case, in my case, meaning through a glass very darkly. I was happy to see the dawn of pointing and clicking and friendly cartoon help mice.

And free speech extremist though I am, I think your point is well taken, that cyber-spaces are in their own way, the homes of the owner, and we are that owner's guests, and common courtesy would dictate that we refrain from stubbing out cigarettes on the Isfahan, or hurling Pasabache goblets at the heads of fellow guests whose conversation displeases us.

We have all, at least in our youth, attended gatherings that started small, a few congenial souls, usually friends of the host, and how nice it is to enjoy that pleasant prelude, the pick of the best morsels from the groaning board, the softest cushions, what simple delight we take then, in each other's company, praising and teasing our host for the flowers he has chosen, the dish that nearly failed but was cleverly turned into some unlikely but quite tasty other thing.

And then slowly, other guests arrive, and we welcome them, take them into our circle, and still more arrive, and conversation becomes more difficult, between the musicians, the sheer number of people all chatting, laughing, the clinking of crystal, and at some point, no one can quite mark when, or maybe they can, what today is called, I suppose the "tipping point" is reached, and someone who has had too much champagne makes a scene, and what began as a lovely communion of like-minded souls of good will has now become a loud, crowded, blowsy melee, and we see some of the folks we had most looked forward to talking to begin to quietly slip away, forgiven for not taking leave of their host, on sheer logistical grounds. And we, too, reluctantly request our cloaks and conveyances, as it is plain that there is to be no further fun, at least not our sort of it, not our sort of carnival. :)

It must be said, also that there is a fine line, that it is perfectly mannerly to engage in a mannerly debate, whether with our host or our fellow guests, and indeed, if someone, whether guest or host, says something outrageous, to politely counter it with sense, one could say there is an obligation to do so, but politely is the operative adverb in such cases.

Therefore if free speech is an applicable concept when on, as it were, private property, it is one thing to censor WHAT is said, and quite another to expect that one's guests will have the decency to censor themslves in the matter of HOW it is said. And I would also make a distinction between ideas and insults, in that same venue. Debate can become quite lively enough to satisfy most reasonable people, but a debate and an insult contest are two different things, leaving the realm of opinion and entering that of behavior, and it is without question the prerogative of every host to decide which behaviors are and are not permitted in his or her home.

Thank you for being my honorary great-granddaughter.

5/16/2006 2:39 am  
Blogger Nanette said...

ductape, I quite like having you as an honorary great grandpapa too! ;).

I love mannerly debate, even when there are intense points of disagreement. I've often thought that cities should be built with areas that are just for that purpose... not that lack of them (at least in places I've lived) stop anyone.

One of my favorite things is catching snippets of debates between people, as I ride the bus or walk here or there... no matter the color, education level, income level, whatever, everyone has an opinion, as they say ;). Sometime the same exact opinion, just couched in different terms, depending on the culture.

Some people, you can tell they' ve been arguing about the same thing together for years, and probably saying mostly the same things.

Other times they appear to be complete strangers but with a few initial words they lay out their own positions and get a sense of the other person's... and then the debate is on (cabbies are good with this one, lol).

There has been a lot of talk recently on various blogs about civility and anger, and the uses of it, what it accomplishes or doesn't and so on. Mostly relating to right wing hypocrisy, but it probably has applications in other areas.

I don't think there is anything wrong with anger, especially against injustice... and I certainly give no quarter to the right wing, in whose policies rest a very definition of "incivil", in my opinion.

Anyway, my imagining is not something like Disneylandtopia or anything, but more like the (idealized, at least) marketplaces and such of old (and maybe present) around the world , where people gathered to discuss the philosophical or political issues of the day, or whatever. Definitely not always agreement, and there was that little matter of hemlock in at least one spot, but that general idea.

5/17/2006 10:18 pm  
Blogger DuctapeFatwa said...

LOL that one about people who have been arguing about the same thing for years hit home for me!

And there is frequently an overlap with those who basically agree, but for whatever reasons of culture, worldview, etc, express that shared view in such different terms as to provide fodder for decades of argument!

5/18/2006 5:06 am  
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A lot has been written about prosperity and how to attain it. We have been told by many religious traditions and every personal development guru that the Universersal Source (God, Spirit, Cosmic Mind or whatever label you chose to give it) is boundless wealth. We are also told that abundance, wealth and prosperity are our birthright! Why then are so many people ill, broke, frustrated and unfulfilled? Can a person really develop a prosperity consciousness and effortlessly attract wealth? Well as with everything in life there is only one way to find out. Test it for yourself!
Before we can attain and then test the effectiveness of having a prosperity consciousness we need to understand some basic truths. Let's start by explaining three fundamentals of personal development namely; 1. The Universal Source is all wealth, abundance and prosperity; 2. Prosperity is our birthright; 3. You get more of what you focus on.
1. Why are we told that the Universal Source is unlimited wealth? - Because the Universal Source is the consciousness of the Universe - a universe that is still expanding. It is the driving force behind physical reality. It created everything you see, hear, touch and smell as well as all that we are unaware of (microwaves, radiation, air etc.). It has been stated in religious and metaphysical traditions that this intelligence is not only the Source of everything but that it is also the substance of it! It creates the Universe from itself! It is omnipresent (everywhere present). That means that the entire seen and unseen aspects of the universe are a part of this Universal Source. Science reaffirms this theory as it states that nothing is solid and everything is just one mass of pure energy that vibrates at different frequencies and gives the illusion of separateness.
So we can now claim that the Universal Source is unlimited wealth, abundance and prosperity with some belief. For if this Source is the very substance of everything then it is all the wealth, abundance and prosperity that exists at this very moment!
Ok so far? Now lets look at the second point - prosperity is our birthright.
2. If this Universal Intelligence is the source and substance of all things then there can be only one intelligence in the Universe. Jesus said to his disciples "know ye not that you are the temple of the living God?" Buddha attained enlightenment and "oneness". The list of these religious teachings are too numerous to mention but their message remains the same - God (Universal Substance) resides within and around us. It's very substance makes up our physical body and the world around us - "For in him we live, move and have our being" Acts17:28. Therefore, if this Universal Source is at the very core of our being and is the substance from which we take physical form then it stands to reason that we are connected to everyone else and in fact everything else around us - we are a part of all the wealth, abundance and prosperity of the universe. Just as your hand or foot is a part of your body, so every grain of sand, blade of grass, wisp of wind, bar of gold and brick that is laid in a mansion is part of you. The unlimited wealth of the universe is yours for the claiming. It is already yours, always has been and always will be. It is a part of you.
Ok let's go the third point - you get more of what you focus on.
3. "It never rains but it pours", is a saying I have used myself in the past. Have you ever wondered why such a statement appears to be true? Well metaphysics and religion tell us that "as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he" or as Job cried out to God "For that which I greatly feared has come upon me". What we focus our conscious attention on increases! Don't believe me? Test it for yourself! If you can muster up the strength to do it then think in negative terms for a week. Judge everything that happens to you in negative terms and think only of a negative outcome and watch what happens in your world!!! This is a relatively easy experiment as we are conditioned to think negatively by the world. A word of warning though - once you prove that your focus determines your reality stop thinking negative thoughts as best you can.
I will not go into the 'hows' of why our focus has such a profound influence on our lives (that would be the subject of a book or perhaps a future article) just prove to yourself that it does. A clue can be found in the teachings of Jesus when he said "The Kingdom of heaven is within".
So now we have the three principles of the prosperity consciousness explained let's put it to work. The attainment of a prosperity consciousness is relatively simple - just think on the first two principles until you fully understand them and integrate them into your consciousness. As you focus on them you will discover that your feelings of lack disappear and you begin to feel a connection with everything around you. It is really just an attitude shift - nothing metaphysical or mystical about it at all. You begin to consciously realize that everything is a part of you. Your focus changes from poverty to wealth.
If it helps make a list of affirmations that correspond to the two principles outlined e.g. "God is the Source and substance of everything", "I am at one with everyone and everything around me", "I am a part of all the wealth, abundance and prosperity of the Universe" etc. Don't just rhyme them off in a parrot like manner, think on them and realize the scientific or spiritual truths behind them.
Will it work? Well I can say now that if you follow the above instructions a real change will happen in you. You will start to see the beauty of the world and the unlimited resources that are available within and around you. Will you attain wealth, abundance and prosperity? Test it for yourself! personal development

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